I had mentioned this in many of my earlier posts and mentioning the same again this time too.. I am just fedup the way things are turning up. Political parties are screwing the common man from left and right.. the ruling government and police are doing nothing.. all we can hear is.. some head guy saying “No one can take law in their hand, we will take strict action against them” But nothing happens, these parties are already taking law in their hand but the police is like mute spectator.
A common man is suffering in this…. there is no security from these political goons.. what is tomorrow one of these guys think of implementing a funny rule and forcing people? What will happen? NOTHING..
But who is responsible for this? Apart from the police and ruling party.. Media played a bigger role in this.. they love to create issues from small things.
Day before yesterday, I was watching some Hindi news channel, it was showing Drona’s music release where Jaya Bachchan jokingly said (Video) that she will speak in Hindi as she is from UP.. Now, these channels were flashing the same thing 100 times and making it a big issue.. they showed things like “Ab kya hoga Raj Thackeray ka jawaab” (What will be reaction of MNS chief Raj Thackeray)
And the very next day, MNS chief puts a large hoarding on Bandra linking road showing ticket to Allahbad printed on it.. it said.. “The Marathi are never going to forgive you, and Shivaji Maharaja’s Maharashta is not going to forgive you either” (Read more about it here)
And, then he decides to call a press conference and warn people about Jaya Bachchan’s statement. He uses harsh words like “The Guddi actress (She had acted in that movie) has become old but still she hasn’t matured enough” (It was very harsh in Marathi.)
And the guy, without any fear “announces” BAN on Bachchan family movies.. also warns theatre owners about it… “Let us see who shows these films..” and he even makes fun of the gag order police issued against holding press conferences and public meetings.. “It seems that the government has extra stationary — they keep on issuing me notices. Let them issue notices, I will keep on expressing my views whenever I feel like” (Read More)
Now, these guys demand public apology for what she said.. I am 100% sure that a common man is not even bothered about it.. they are smart enough to differentiate between joke and serious statements..
So, Jaya Bachchan finally apologizes for no reason.. haha but now MNS says.. this kind of apology is not enough…. (This was being aired on news channels)
Okay, so this was about MNS..
Now, why should Maharashtra’s own party Shiv Sena stay behind.. they aimed at Shah Rukh Khan today..
Here is what sena Chief Bal Thackeray said.. “Shah Rukh says he is a Dilliwala. If you are from Delhi, then why have you come to Maharashtra”
“In southern states, the anti-Hindi campaign has been on for the last sixty years. There is a ban on Hindi films and Hindi news in Tamil Nadu. In Assam, those speaking in Hindi are killed,” it said. “Why don’t the people who boast here that they are from UP or Bihar go to these areas and unfurl the Hindi banner” (Read More)
I am not sure what he is trying to say here.. does he mean to say that, if others are doing stupidity, we should also do it?.. just for the sake of religion?
I don’t understand why these guys are fighting so much over Maharashtra or Maharashtrian language? Are they themselves Marathi? NO..
Their children are studying in ENGLISH medium school Bombay Scottish, their grand son is making HINDI music album.. they have their sites in ENGLISH (or partially in English), so on what basis they are saying that they are Maharashtrians?
They want people to speak in Marathi, they want Bombay names to be changed to Mumbai but they do not want to admin their children in Marathi school, they do not want their Children to cut a Marathi album..
Why they understand that Religion should be kept at home.. I am Gujarati, you might belong to some other cast but when we are on the street, we are INDIANS not Maharashtrian or Gujarati or any other cast..
Doing cheap things like this is not going to lead us anywhere, it will divide Maharashtra..
Politics has reached at such a bad level that these politicians do not care about anything.. all they want is vote bank.. they don’t care how much it harms the common man or the country…
Shiv Sena Website – (Mostly in Marathi but partially in English too)
MNS Vidyarthi Sena Website – (Totally in English.. earlier this site was used as MNS’s main website)
Note: Please comment on the topic. No comments on any person or cast will be tolerated. No personal wars STRICTLY. If you do not agree with anything, put forward your views in DECENT manner.. no point in posting comments in abusive or indecent language.
9.9.2008
Yeah .. Our own politicians ..
First they will divide on the religion basis – (Hindu + Muslim)
Then they will divide us on the caste basis (Upper caste – Schedule caste – Scheedule tribe)
Then they will divide us on the region basis (Maharastrian, gujarati, assami etc)
Then they will divide us on intra-caste basis(Vaishnav, brahmin, vanik, chamar)
So it’s we who will hv to stay united and hv to show harmony so that these politicians can stop their acts ..
9.9.2008
I have lived in Mumbai for 24 years, that was long enough to see the Rajiv Gandhi being killed, the 92 bomb blasts and the 93 riots with my own eyes when I was just 11 years old, and have grown up through those devastating years, seeing my own friends dad’s and uncles houses and shops being busted.
I always had that memory in the back of my mind, first it was Hindus vs Muslims abhi next me or my religion?
The problem I thought ended there never ended, it is continued with so many other problems, from being a anti-national statement it is now a anti-state and anti-language drama.
Like they say angrez gaye par apna namo nisaan chod gaye, we have the fact of factionalism and regionalism so deep in our roots that we as a citizen overlook them and move ahead in life, we always tend to go backwards like we are going to win a backstroke gold medal, it is evident in everything our nation has done or has been doing. For example the recent N-Deal drama, the scandals and all, what would remain in users mind a successful N-deal, do they even care about it? Or the sting run by channel, that for some change had a heart.
Well I ran off topic, but I could write 100000 more words on this, but what’s the use.
The problem is Jaya Bachchan, Amitabh Bachchan and Raj Thackeray has a huge ego problem, those fuckers are taking on a space so diluted in Mumbai, and yes they have to fight for their rights with words that will incite each two languages against each other, and yes if a bottle is thrown at your house you will get in the news tomorrow, why because you spoke something big and you are a celebrity.
We can only listen, learn and enjoy, having lived here for 24 years is just a passing privlege both these people gave me.
9.9.2008
public must get together and kill these ppl like idiot raj thakre ….
9.9.2008
Can you guys do anything to free our society from the dirty paws of such Distinction on the basis of caste, language or boundaries or of Politicians or Media? If not, whats the use of writing such big articles in your personal web-diaries?
That is why we are called common man.Common man like us are satisfied with our status-quo in running our own enterprise or serving a big corporate giant or leaving the country for a high profile job. Just as we are doing business to earn profit, So are politicians and Media. They too are not here for social service.Its their business to play folly with the common man.
If we have that much fire, why don’t we come out our caves to serve country. We all,like politicians or media, are selfish too. We all are made up of same mud. Imagine yourself as a politician: you may well be fervidly dedicated to the society, but can you assure that you wont play red-tapism in filling your selfish motives.Of course,some might argue that they are not made for politics.Arey mere bhai, if not made for politics, who asked you to give your opinion on politics.
“Ghar me baithke gyan dena asaan hota hai”
Prove your mettle in a field first before commenting or preaching people about that field.
All common people are like GAU (COW) or rather like GADHE (Donkey) – Jisko jahaan chalne bola, chal diye – Why are we so sensitive that such stupid politicians or their statements affects us so badly?After all, we have given that such powers.
9.9.2008
Interesting point there Rahul but I beg to differ. If someone is not into politics then it does not mean that he or she does not have right to reflect their opinions. Infact it is right of a common man to give feedback on the things which are going on.
It is like, you can watch movies but you cannot review it.. coz you have not made it.. haha
Now, a common man getting into politics.. to be frank this is next to impossible coz the system is not transparent.. and even if the person manages to become a politician he is not going to win because there is no strong backing..
Now the only possiblity I see is, a man standing and more than half of the people supporting him.. but I don’t think so that day will come so soon..
So, personally, there is nothing wrong in a common man speaking out his / her mind out in public.. be it a blog, a column in newspaper or whatever.. the reasons you mentioned does not justify the things…
9.9.2008
IMO, Raj Thackeray should put behind bars immediately for provoking communal Violence.
What jaya said was a harmless joke.
Raj Thackeray’s reaction to it, is a politically motivated statement.Issued for his selfish self interest.
we all know he does give a damn to Maharashtra or India as a whole, he just cares is about himself.
Most of us understand this political gimmicks but the common Man sees whatever is shown to him/her in media.
That the reason why statements issues by such leaders work. they all know India is full of emotional fools.
As, long as they common man would keep buy this crap, organizations like Bajrang dal,MNS,Shiv sena would prevail and as a result people would suffer. their right to freedom would be curbed.
I pray God gives some wisdom to all Indians to decide whats wrong and whats right.
9.9.2008
Rohit, not Rahul.. LoL
I have been witnessing this blame game since ages – System is not transparent, No Support, etc
Of course, its common mans right to give his/her feedback.
But I beg to differ by saying that its the common man who supported or voted for these politicians and given them these powers.
You cant see yourself standing into politics coz you have no support. But, why no support, because again the common man is supporting those stupid politician. The only option left is that you can again stand in that crowd and support these politicians.And hence, again become a common man.
I am not pointing out to you , but trying to make the common man reading your blog realize that somewhere the common man or the mob is responsible.
A movies success or failure depends on the people who see it…not on the people who made that movie
9.9.2008
Oh.. sorry.. Rohit.. now it is correct
Yea, a common man’s vote is counted but now it goes into same circle.. I have seen party workers paying good amount of money to poor poeple so that they vote for them.. police is seeing these things but again nothing is happening.. because they are also part of this whole thing..
The corrpution is from the low level to top most level.. but there is no solution.. I can see only revolution the way..but HOW? that’s the biggest and main question..
9.9.2008
Ya..no Solution.
So nothing can happen.
So, better accept what exists currently.
9.9.2008
That’s what we are doing and waiting for something which can actually change the system.. people are ready to try but where is the way..
9.9.2008
Only one thing caught my attention in all this writing.
“There is a ban on Hindi films and Hindi news in Tamil Nadu.”
LOL so that means all the hindi movies I have been watching here in Chennai are not hindi.
Anyways we cant do anything firm on such topics because people like these are there to add fuel to the fire or even spark, that happens anywhere. Its sad to see that even younger politicians have no sense in such matters.
9.10.2008
Hi
“India is not shining anymore.. there is no freedom.. there is no freedom..” your text on Big B’ blog…
what do u mean by freedom…?
if some1 is doing sex on road, as a freedom… will u accept…? and if not…then why…
some1 slapped you and then said sorry if heart by my slap..will accept this apology…
Ok…i am not fully agree with Raj & Sena…
but when i think, if both are not their then what will happen in Maharashtra…who will react against bhihari style gunda log…
so dont try to teach freedom to marathi people…
count the freedom fighters in india.. more than 50% well known freedom fighters are from Maharasthra and they scarified their life for freedom.
I will request you to go to UP, Bihar like states and create awareness in people about freedom. Many people in this state don’t know what is Vote and how to use it. (i think u and others will agree with sentence)
Jay Maharashra
Vishwas
9.10.2008
i can’t understand this regionalism,we call the simi anti-national,wat about this mns they are against our constitution that any indian can go any where in the world.they think shiva jee belongs to only maharashta,oh cmon if this thing starts to happen than in bihar people say that the greatest king ever had india the great Ashoka belongs to bihar than don’t use ashoka chakra on national flag,the god budhha belongs to bihar so don’t practice budhissm out side bihar,and who is this guy saying that 50% of freedom fighter belongs to maharashtra,wat abt mahatma,nehru,bagat singh,chandasekhar,bose,we don’t think that bal gangadhar tilak belngs to any particular region he belongs to every indian.
so jai hind,no jai bihar,jai up,jai maharashtra,
only and only jai hind
9.10.2008
enough we r tierd of Hindi MEDIA and now hindi… why dont u let maharshtrians enjoy ganesh festival .. why ur hindi news channels had to flash that 1 sentense from jaya bacchan 1000 times.. if it was not serious????????????????? these news channels hurt maharashtra 1000 times.. these news channels dividing country adding fuel countinously .. saying “MARATHI KE TARAF DARO KE MUH PER JAYA KA TAMACHA” we were watching on tv she was joking but these ppl had to pick on sentense and played 2-3 hrs on tv..untill they got next news which was raaj reply why these ppl r tourturing maharashtra this much. bacchans, maharashtra, thakrey all outsiders living in mumbai r suffering bcoz of media STOP IT MEDIA.
raaj thakrey or marathi manus never said no to hindi
HINDI MEDIA SHOULD SAY SORRY TO MAHARASHTRA AND COUNTRY for adding fuel to fire for just TRP ….
HINDI NEWS CHANNELS SHOWS NEWS LIKE MOVIE.. With sound effect.. everything is drama for them. now we r tierd.. and im goin to court against HINDI NEWS CHANNELS.. AAJ TAK, INDIA TV NEWS, coz these r irresponsible NEWS Channels somebody should take against them..coz media is not God common man have brain now.
Jai hind Jai Maharashtra.
9.10.2008
hi.
i agree with u deep..and mr Vishwas i m not agree with u..u say if sena is not there who will tackel with bihari likee..my frnd..did u know mumbai is a old city and it exists way before shiv sena or MNS….did u ever heared these cheap issues before SS or MNS..the answer is NO….this is all political..i think people who act on such thoughts of political parties ..they don`t have mind..and work….and Mr.Vishwas ..have u ever been to Delhi….you will be surprised to see Biharis and UP people ..overthere..but have u ever heared any new from there ..that any local party wants send them back….
These MNS & SS…..they are making fool…they never say anything about marathi farmer who is dyeing..Raj thakrey never speak about unemployment.y coz…he is a good politician ..he knows ..u people want cheap politics..like throwing stones..at other peoles home..beating people who works here……just think vishwas..many maharastrian who are engineers..doctors..works outside..if they ever beaten up by a local party at any part of india ..then will this SS or MNS..will go there to save them..answer is agian ..NO..coz u knw the last outcome..that time alose ..a marathi boy was killed and the killer are not bihari ur own ..MNS (marathi manoos ke thekedaar)..if they are planning to make new maharastra like this ….then god save mumbai..coz they are not thinking about maharasytra they think about ..mumbai..which is converting in to next HEll…so long live maharastra…but with gracefull partys….
9.10.2008
Deep,
Your blog comment is just a reaction against the MNS chief who reacted something against the Jaya Bachchan and her family.
Just tell me, if anyone from outside of your house says anything against your family and relatives, you definitely will get annoyed and same thing happened here.
I do agree that we are Indians and should remain united and should live like an Indian, but it does not mean that you can speak anything against anyone and particularly on a big stage and that also in any funny manner that will hurt the sentiment of peoples that belongs to some community, and the community which has a strong history.
The community is the mirror of common peoples. If anyone speaks against it, there will be reaction, and the reaction is the same that you are seeing around.
I have also looked at the clip what Jayagi had said all about, and it really looks ridiculous and I really got upset in the manner she said. The questions here again arises why she said?
A personality like Jaya Bachchan should not be so careless in using words against anyone. There were nothing to say anything against anyone and this is the mistake that she had done.
I really feel that she should apologize for the unnoticed things that had happened from her and should be careful not to repeat it again in future.
9.10.2008
I think she insulted marthi people in national television and she must apolozise in national television only,
there is no need to take the language matter in function of music launch, she staying in maharashtra and talking against maharashtra people and apologies, that means she know that it will hurt people of maharashtra. SHE MUST APOLOGIES BEFORE NATIONAL TELEVISION.
mahesh sharma.
9.10.2008
Vishwas – Freedom according to me is something for which I am not restricted to BUT at the same time, it should not hurt sentiments of other people..
Now, sex on the road for example.. it is something not appropriate for the common people so obviously it can be something like “advantage” of freedom and same applies for the slap.
But, now if we relate this to incident mentioned above. I would like to clarify that, first of all, it was not any statement… it was merely a comment which was said jokingly..
But if it was a serious statement.. then, the question of apology comes in the picture.. but personally thinking, it is point of view of the people…
For me, it won’t make any difference if you speak in Marathi or Hindi.. coz both are Indian language.. and Hindi is our Rashtrabhasha.. so there is nothing wrong in speaking in Hindi.. we cannot divide India based on the langauge we speak and for a common man it should not make any difference.
Now, people getting hurt from her statement.. just check the video link I have provided in the post.. do you think it was something serious? And HOW it will hurt people?
Now about Raj Thackrey.. what the guys saying is PERFECTLY RIGHT.. but the way he is doing is TOTALLY WRONG.. Infact I agree with his thinking about priorities to non-maharashtrians but he should find a way LEGALLY to do it..
If politicians are corrupt, no transparent system is there.. MAKE PEOPLE AWARE ABOUT IT… there is not point in forcing people right and left…
About more than 50% of the freedom fighters from Maharashtra.. may be but you should also know that 100% of them are from INDIA and I am Indian first.. and then Maharashtrian.. so we should think about the country not about the states..
I don’t care what people in UP, Bihar or Gujarat are doing.. but whatever happening in Maharashtra is NOT RIGHT..
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Anurag – I totally echo your views.. great example..
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Boon – You are right.. Media is showing many things which are not even required..
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Mangesh – Like mentioned to Vishwas.. it was said jokingly, it was not a serious statement at all.. but the Media guys and politicians made it serious.. You can check the video clip and you will get the idea about it.
She did not say anything bad about Maharashtra or Maharashtrians…she just said, she would use Hindi coz she is from UP, Maharashtraisn please forgive her.. not she already said sorry for it right? and Comeon it wasnt seriously… it’s so easy to make out.. LOL
About why she said.. I don’t know about it.. there must be something in her mind which made her say that.. but it was surely not to harm anyone and it was a JOKE….
But I can ask the same question to you, why Raj Thackrey’s ppl had to take law in hand.. why they had to warn theatre owners, why they had to tear the banner and posters of Bachchan family apart? What was in their mind?
Couldn’t they reply in the same manner? Without taking the law in hand?
Also, why there was any need to use such harsh words like “akkal” and all.. why he had to say things like “police has extra stationary to send me the notices… I am not bothered about it”
So do you think it is right?
Check the video clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv3dhIZutw
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Mahesh Sharma – It was Media and Political parties who did this.. a common man never gets affected by these stupid things but now because of these politicians, even common man is thinking about the things which are not at all important…
9.10.2008
I agree to this Deep..
http://vmoments.blogspot.com/2008/09/yeh-hai-bombay-meri-jaan.html
9.10.2008
Deep,
You said “In southern states, the anti-Hindi campaign has been on for the last sixty years. There is a ban on Hindi films and Hindi news in Tamil Nadu. In Assam, those speaking in Hindi are killed,” it said. “Why don’t the people who boast here that they are from UP or Bihar go to these areas and unfurl the Hindi banner”
May be you should get your facts clear http://www.rajbhasha.nic.in/dolacteng.htm Hindi is not the official language of India. So why force it on those who dont want to accept it.
Then you say “Their children are studying in ENGLISH medium school Bombay Scottish, their grand son is making HINDI music album.. they have their sites in ENGLISH (or partially in English), so on what basis they are saying that they are Maharashtrians?”
Well, their children already know the Marathi Language very well. So they are into English medium schools to master their knowledge about English unlike those sticking just to hindi and give a damn to other languages.
Then you mention that Jaya Bacchan jokingly said. Well, there was no sense of humor in what she said else she had no reason to stress on the words HUM UP KE LOG HAI ISILIYE HUM HINDI ME BOLENGE & MAHARASHTRIANS SHoULD FORGIVE THEM FOR SPEAKING IN HINDI. It was but obvious that it was a function for a hindi film and she was to speak in hindi. No one present there had asked her to speak in Marathi or any other language. If Raj Thackarey’s reaction is not justified, then what Jaya Bacchan did was equally or rather more irresponsible. Now as to why she said this — one reason may be she wanted free publicity for the film and this was the easiest way to gain it by instigating Raj. As it is the garbage new channels desperately need something to fill in their slots and then blow it up to such an extent that the issue becomes violent.
Now coming down to basics. I’m a common man and I’m very much affected by the number of people pouring in from other states especially from UP & bihar. Till a few years ago I was comfortable travelling in a second class, but now because of these migrants I’m forced to travel in a first class. Why am I forced to shell out the extra money with no fault of mine? To add to the woes more than 3/4th of those who migrate dont even pay taxes to Maharashtra government. So why should I suffer?
Why doesnt anyone ask the leaders laloo or mulayam as to why they miserably failed in developing their states? One reason could be the media or those into print or blogging lack the guts in their butts to question these leaders on their failure because if laloo can take the credit of getting the Railways into profit, then why was he so inefficient in developing Bihar? So the truth is he is taking the credit for the work done by someone else.
A couple of weeks ago the railway recruitment was going on in Andra Pradesh. And the same thing what happens in Mumbai happened there. Hundreds of biharis came in for the recruitment of a score of seats and they were beaten up by the local people there. Why didnt anybody protest against that? Why is it that only Mumbai or Maharashtra is targetted by the media? may be the people of maharashtra are more tolerent than the rest of the states. But yes, this tolerence level is now coming to an end.
And btw, dont be so biased in what you write because even the Bacchans are no saint.
9.10.2008
Deep,
I totally disagree with your comments. A personality like Jaya Bachchan can’t make any statement that can look like a joke and that also on peoples by which now a days she is remaining in controversy.
She should be aware that she is in publish place and she should be more careful in using words that might not hurt anyone in anyway.
I know that there will be nothing in her mind against any marathi peoples but the thing that had happened from here unnoticely gives out wrong message to viewer.
You see that clip again and you will notice that she made some comments and after that they laugh in a manner that really gives out wrong impression about the thing that she needs to say. Her body language, her face and her words does not demonstrate anything that tell good about, but infact looks ugly and looks like she is making joke on marathi peoples.
I am good fan of Amitabh and also i like all other family members of Amitabh including jayaji but thing that happened really hurted me, when i see that clip, their movements and that laugh that she gave out.
About MNS, i don’t know how they should reacts again this issue, but definitely not by penalting stones on buses and destroying public places, i am against this and will be. But also thing is that if you remain quit, no one will take notice about it.
9.10.2008
Sameer – I did not say “You said “In southern states, the.. ” it was in a news column and then 2nd sentense was statement by Raj Thackrey.. (links already provided in the post)
About English medium and Hindi album.. well, the point is, if these politicians are so proud of the language and care about Marathi people then why they are giving more importance to English and Hindi language? Son is in English medium.. coz he knows Marathi already.. so do you mean to say that there is no point in admitting their sons to Marathi school just because they know Marathi? I think there is English subject in Marathi school too.. so why there was any need to go to English school and have only one subject for Marathi? haha
And also why not make first album in Marathi rather than Hindi? Are they giving less importance to Marathi here?
I am raising these points just because they are raising the same and confusing common people.. It is just for the vote bank.. nothing else…
About why she said.. I don’t know.. about free publicity.. I dont think so, they need any.. no one is concerned about the movie but people are concerned about the things which are going on..
About a common man facing problems in the train and everywhere because of migrants..
Okay, let me explain you in 2 different situations.. in both the cases we are facing issues with the migrants..
1. A political leader suddenly realizes that many outside people are coming to our state and it is affecting common people. He goes on the streets and starts beating them..
Outside people are afraid.. the things are stopped for sometime.. but again it starts.. again the same process goes on and does not stop..
2. The same political leader, instead of beating up the people.. reaches to the root of the system…. poeple are coming from other states and they are getting taxi license.. they are getting shop keeper’s license.. but who is giving them?
OUR PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM? So how do we stop it.. he tries to impose a rule where migrants are given last priority and own people are giving top.. no licenses are issued to them.. nothing.. they will be given late as there are other poeple from the same state waiting..
So? The problem is STOPPED.. no one will dare to mess up the things.. straight and simple..
Don’t you think that’s smarter way to fight for the rights?
9.10.2008
Mangesh – Let’s assume that she made a serious statement to harm the pepole… she apoligized.. but still people do not think it’s right.. so let the matter go in the hands of law? Why any party worker need to give such statements.. don’t we have a legal system out there?
All I trying to say is, there is always a legal better way to handle the things rather than taking law in our own hands..
9.10.2008
We should demand 28 states to be converted in 28 countries.My MH, my KA, my BH, etc.Why our politicians fought for freedom?Just for one nation “India” not even Hindustan or Pakistan.But alas the day is not far when because of these new generation politicians we will fight against states.Now we are fighting for religion.Ain’t we Indian first and ain’t our constitution gives us the right to speech, travel etc.
9.10.2008
well…..for Raj Thackrey people wont speak today or say something to him but people of this city will show him their anger in ELECTION…..yeah…in Election raj will get his answer abt all this he is doin…like people sud speak in Marathi and tht big hangama for hordings & all tht…….just wait and watch…….by the way Election is not much away
9.10.2008
who says marathi people are aginst hindi?
what we are against is the unwarranted efforts to dominate the state of maharashtra. outsiders can come live earn and enjoy… but plz don not try to dominate the locals… we hate it…. its too much to bear…. we cannot speak in our own language in our own state …thats the condition….
what you have written is all great… but it misses the finer print….the very roots of the protest lie in the blatant and shameless exploitation of maharashtra by the outsiders!
9.10.2008
Well, Deep I completely agree with your points. We have law and government of Maharashtra headed by a ‘Maharashtrian’to handle the unwanted issues. No one is stopping Maharashtrian’s to speak in Marathi. In fact, I too speak in Marathi, despite being a Kutchi and speak much much fluent and good Marathi and feel proud about being born and brought up in Maharashtra, and am very very close and inclined towards Marathi and its rituals and culture, I never saw or considered my self as outsider as I am so mixed and deeply churned in all that i have seen about Marathi and Maharashtra. No one is exploiting Marathi language or Marathi People. Those who have this misunderstanding that all outsiders are disrespecting Marathi or Marathi culture are wrong! BTW who can be termed ‘Parprantiya’ (Outsiders)??? Are these Upities, or Bihari’s, from Bangladesh or Pakistan??? All those who have posted against your blog just have to open up their mind and broaden their vision and use a bit commonsense. Can’t these guys notice that this is sheer politics and there is no single benefit of marathi manoos or common man??? Marathi man and even other can promote and even enrich the lost marathi culture and pride by celebrating it, spreading awarness about it,( as i personally do!) and just by not beating, harssing or bullying others caste, who are integral part of HINDUSTAN. All can Visit my blog and post comment about this ‘Jai Hind!Jai Maharashtra!
9.10.2008
http://rajeshrajgor.blogspot.com/2008/09/mann-se-kehta-hai-raj-gor-raj-esh.html
9.10.2008
End of the day it is bad to model the bad of other states and take refuge. Tamilnadu being the worst state of Hindi hater. This one state looks very distant and sometimes behave like ‘neighbouring country’ like Srilanka. They are into Indian parliament for a simple reason to get the maximum benefit for the state.
Assam the issue is different it is more of reaction and fear of loosing land, business and jobs of Assamese to Biharis, UPs and Marwaris than mere hatred of Hindi as a language.
We know those two states are bad for the constitution of India its of bad taste to take examples of something bad and take refuge to that.
Tamilnadu has a reason to hate hindi as they are proud to be the creator of ‘Dravidian’ script language. But not other states and most of the sates have its own language origin from Sanskrit and Urdu. How the letters in Marathi looks like ? If you can read hindi u can read marathi, bengali even.
And for information Biharis do not speak hindi, they have different languages like bhojpuri, santali
Hindi as a language is a common barrier between other states. English is still not in reach for all poor people. What language you will speak to an auto driver or taxi driver or even the local hotel, when you go to any other state(except Tamilnadu and they know english…but you must start with ‘vanakam’)? Obviously Hindi isnt it ?
Each and every state has its own local or mother tongue and they are proud of nothing wrong in it. But the country’s pride precedes everything.
If we allow these petty sadist people like Thakerys, Mayavati, Karunanidhi, Mamata Banerjee to rule and make their terms then it only makes the dream of Pakistan to be true ie. India broken down in regions and states so they get Kashmir.
It is interesting to note few gentleman proudly but without sufficient knowledge of history says more than 50% of freedom strugglers are from Maharashtra. Problem is most people are having shallow knowledge and information and come out for views. It is advised to spend some time as http://www.wikipedia.com and search their knowhow.
Mumbai is Mumbai today is not because of local Marathis but mostly because of Parsis and Gujratis who invested and made it a financial capital.
Who invests in Bollywood today and how many local Marathis earn their living from it ? People from all over the country contributes for Bollywoood. So if someone understands the economy, he/she can understand that it is a win win situation.
It is not really because of Marathis that Bollywood is existing or rather any industry is existing in Maharastra it is because of the favourable conditions of the state.
It is time to come out of this shallow or little knowledge dangerous world. It is required to have a macro view than these stupid regionalism.
Today we have the worst president (or dummy)ever and replacing a living legend and great like Dr.Kalam. Her qualification ? She managed Gandhi family’s kitchen. Why and how she came to the post we all know. Why Thankerys voted for her we all know.
Another 5 years of Dr.Kalam could have changed the face of India to a lot extent. Are you aware that Switzerland celebrates ’scientific day’ every year on the honour of Dr.Kalam, who happened to give a lecture there sometime ago ? And by the way which state he belonged? Kerela right? SO what we have given him when another established and richest nation can honour him ?
One gentleman expressed that he had to travel in ‘first class’ due to migrants so his ‘class’ is falling apart when he travels with these ‘untouchables’ so you still believe Gandhi is the father of nation ?
But Gandhi is a Gujrati and by the way who wrote the national anthem and what is its meaning ?
Which state has the distinction of all the noble prize winners for India ?
Love your contry. Be proud you live in such a country where u can say and do anything. Thank god that you do not live in Afganishthan, Saudi Arabia or China.
Be happy…..
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9.10.2008
Saikat – Great stuff..
9.11.2008
Hi Deep,
I agree with you and every body knows that because of IDIOTIC acts and provocative statements of Raj Thakarey, taxi drivers were beaten up who are from Bhihar, UP and other states. What was the outcome of it?. 40 percentage of the industries in entire Maharashtra locked out. It has effected business growth of the state. Industries have been shut down which are the sole bread earners for some families. What good Raj Thakarey has done or still doing? Sometimes, the acts of SS and MNS people reminds Saddam and his son Uday’s temperament. The funniest part or should i say shameless part, government has been numb and dumb. And only after intervention of High Court, Raj Thakarey mouth has been zipped for a while.
They (SS and MNS) are nothing but diluting the minds of Maharastians with hatred and regional feelings. What should we call them ? In 1993, Mumbai has been attacked by Terrorists who have tried their best efforts to destroy Mumbai. Who brought Mumbai back to normal, it is the common man..but not SS or MNS. We know that, there was no SS or MNS in 1993.
So, who are these, to tell how to live, how to love fellow mumbaikar. I am closing with my final comment saying that, ‘Marathi(rather, i would say, One’s) Self Respect doesn’t become high by attacking others. You can’t demand respect, you have to earn it’.
9.11.2008
Saikat,
It clearly seems like you are anti-marathi and not anti-politician.
You have given one homepage of wikipedia, but seems like you have not studies inside wikipedia what marathi history is all about…just go through this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire…This all demonstrate how powerful the marathi people is all about.
You are saying about Mumbai is not developed by Marathi people…then it seems like you have very less knowledge….The significant portion to develop Mumbai was done by marathi people. The bollywood was brought in by marathi person Dadasaheb Phalke.
The current president is marathi so it seems like you are against her so using such a dummy like words.
and your words really upset me a lot
“It is not really because of Marathis that Bollywood is existing or rather any industry is existing in Maharashtra it is because of the favourable conditions of the state.”
It clearly seems like you lack knowledge about Maharashtra. You are saying about favorable condition in Maharashtra. i want to know then who develop this favorable condition in Maharasthra? Definitely by Marathi peoples…and not by UPs, Keralis, Biharis or anyone else. otherwise why Maharashtra state is much forward then any other state in our country.
Do you homework first and then make any comments against anyone…particularly against Marathis
9.11.2008
Hi
Saikat i agree with u r all comments…
we need peoples like T.Chandrashekar in polytics..
polyticians from ‘Bimaroo’ state & central govt must take stepts to develop these Bimaroo states…
then only others states will be safe from major shifting of population from Bimaroo to developed states…
9.11.2008
its so unfortunate that we have come to a situtaion where in we have started divinding ourselves based on regions … for the greater harm of our great country , its been only 61 yrs since our independence and we have alreday started breaking it up .
The power of the well being of any country is not in the hands of any petty polititian but us the common man as the destinies of nation are written by them .
I dont care if i am a Marhati , a Punjabi , a Bengali ,a oriya , a UP ite or a Bihari , I am first an Indian and thats who the world looks at me .
I belong to a country that has taught the world non – violence / the numbers system / birth place to most of the languages spoken across the world Indo -aryan / the largest true democracy / the cradel of civilization / the oldest base to any religion or faith / a country which has deserts / beutiful sea shores / the highest mountains / to the thickest of forests and where food tastes , dilcets , dressing habits change every 100 kms… where else can be get this vastness …
I am a non Marahati living in Mumbai the commercial capital of India for the last year and a half … and i am sad to see whats happening . I have lived in other great cities of the country and have never seen this happening . I am a free citizen of a free nation and i have the right to decide where i want to live / learn / earn and spend . This is obviouly with the fact that i should respect my freedom without hurting / infringing and exploting any one around me …. thats the basis of freedom .
To the issue of being a maharati , everyone has pride to where he hails from / or his place of birth and there is nothing wrong in it / but useing it to infring on the freedom on an ordinary man is wrong .
I do not want to comment on what ppl here have written on contributions done for the country and state by different ppl from different regions …. dont we all jump up on our seats to see Sachin hitting a six / or love to here the nightangle of Indian music – Smt. Lata Mangeskar simlar to any maharati enjoying Kishor Kumar and eating Tandoori Chiken … dont we all take pride to say that they belong to India …..
I remember a very importnat episode which i like to share with you all …
During the KARGIL war body bags after body bags were arriving into Delhi … and i used to be in Delhi till a year and a half back .. and on way to work one of those days … i see a sea of human beigns walking towards the Nizamuddin gravyard with Lt. Hannifuddins body . I have never seen the emotions of solidaity and connectivity of this kind , every car on the road / bus … big or small / every man suited booted or on his cycle stopped and got out to pay their last respects …. did any one think where he was from / what his religion is …. he gave his today for our tommrow ….
lets all as examples set the right presedents for our future generations / for the generation before us has given us freedom dont we have a responsiblity to give something back to our nation rather than dividing it further …..
For a great Nation….
“Bh?rata bh?gya Vidh?t?
Pañj?ba Sindhu Gujar??a Mar??h?
Dr?vi?a Utkala Ba?ga
Vindhya Him?cala ?amun? Ga?g?
Ucchala jaladhi tara?ga”
Jai Hind …
9.11.2008
Well, after reading this blog I’m kinda laughing about how you all are trying to prove each other wrong. Some folks here are trying to justify Mr Raaj (The Marathi Saint). What I see is that politics and these so called language and culture saviours are fu*king all common human beings like us in the ass.
Mr Raaj’s son opted for German language in school because he could not score in his local language and when asked why he is not taking marathi when he his father is fighting for the culture and so called Marathi Manus? He said he could not score in that subject and the language is hard.
Mr Raaj you claim to show some care and respect for you so called fellow Marathi Manus? Why didn’t you donate your acres of land in Kohinoor Hills for development of such poor people.
Where was you so called political power when the train blasts and mumbai blast happend? What did you do? Don’t tell me that only outsiders died in the blast and locals maharastrians weren’t there?
Instead of focusing on security, terrorism and poverty issues you are freaking talking about language and culture. Maybe you switch off the tv and the news when people across the border blow up our people in mumbai and other areas.
End of the day I say common man deserves to be fu*cked becasue it ultimately us who follows this self-centered morons. We go attend their rallies and sympathize with them and they take advantage. Tomorrow that b*stard will say stop sending you children to english medium schools. I wanna really see my fellow maharastrians follow his advice.
We follow them and after taking the votes through all means necessary they f*ck us with this 14 inch d*cks and then we complain about a pain in the ass…
And then there are people saying in 10-15 years India will be greater power and will be ahead of all countries…I wouldn’t call this a bullshit but I would call it the thackrays shits and politicians shit…
Jai Maharastra
P.s suffer poverty, be blown to shreds, corruption, murder and after suffering all this give importance to what language the sign boards are in and what language one speaks and which state he belongs to….now my friends this is modern India….
9.11.2008
To reply Rajesh:
Hi Rajesh,
It looks probably you have not understood or read my blog post here.
OK, I have sometime to clarify your ‘understandings’ or short of it.
Firstly, your quote of terming me as ‘anti marathi’ is painful as it only reflects the mind of so many ‘frogs in well’ type people like you. I have friends of all religion and languages however my closest friends are Marathis. At present I stay outside India in Sweden. My boss here is also a Marathi and you will never know how closely knit we are.
I was lucky enough to travel and live in all the major cities of India. I earlier worked for a company who is ‘the backbone of India’s air defense’ and had people all over the country working for it.
Nevertheless, the above justifcation was not called for but it did pained me when you termed me as anti marathi.
I am aganist regionalism of any sort, thats my word and I have seen several posts supporting the centiments that ‘outsiders’ this thought is dangerous like cancer and when mixed with politics it becomes deadly.
About Maratha history in wikipedia. You can search for other states and you can find them too, especially like Bengal, Punjab, UP (I am sure you are aware of Rani of Jhansi (Laxmibai)who is no lesser than any old heros), Leave apart the more recent greats like Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru. Come out of the well please, look broad, definitely you can improve.
Today Punjab has the highest contributor in terms of jawans to Indian army or defense as a whole. DO you agree ? Kerela and Tamilnadu provides the best brain for the defense related research. So do not just sit and complain with petty sadist non issues.
Yes, I stick to the point of bollywood contribution. Today bollywood will not be bollywood if people of the hindi belt especially goes to the film hall or buys the music CDs and DVDs.
The glamour of heros came from mostly ‘mona’ punjabis and ‘khandani muslims’ settled there. The heroines, literates,directors and singers contributed to Bollywood are mostly from Bengal. THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO BOLLYWOOD ALL TIME IS AMITABH BACHAN (from UP).
I am sure no one will have any doubts in that. It might sound odd to you again but it is a fact that today the world knows about Bollywood is because of these people and not really becasue of Dadasaheb Phalke. I have a friend here who is half Greek and half Swedish…he is mad about Shahrukh Khan and have more knowledge of Bollywood than many. You will not believe his mobile is having ring tone of the song from kal ho na ho.
SO my friend please come out of your wrong centiments and look on macro level.
Financing of Bollywood is done by most people from all over India and also Mumbai breed ‘dons’ right ? You should have guts to call them as ‘outsiders’ and anti nationals and not to the poor people coming there for a living, mostly in contruction sites.
About the present president she is no less than dummy I stick to it. She comes in place of a personality who can be termed as a living legend. I had that lifetime opportunity to see him face to face for couple of occasions and hear his vision.
I told about the dirty politics and regioanlism which went behind not to have Dr.Kalam for another term for the good of the nation. Thankerys voted for her only because she is a Marathi. Do you say this is correct ?If an established foreign nation can recognize him we cannot.
I am sure you definitely can improve your mindset and make our great nation a force to acknowledge while making Maharastra proud for ’son of soil’ like you.
Take care and stay way do not stress much.
9.11.2008
@Deep,
I completely agree with your blog post, it has led to a genesis of a blog post in my head, but that has to wait till I get my new keyboard as my laptop keyboard sucks and is on its final journey. Some of the letters on my keyboard cannot be typed but they need to be pasted so it is irritating to post. But there are a few things I wanted to say:
Raj Thackeray is a politician who walked away from his own family so that he will have a chance to become the President of a party that will catapult him to the position of the CM. I do not know how many here remember about the first elections after Raj broke away from the SS, his promises about bringing change in Maharashtra, I liked it and I voted for him and I have regretted it ever since, cause they done nothing but destroyed Maharashtra.
Raj Thackeray stop worrying about the Bacchans and worry about the Marathi Manoos in Vidarbha and other regions where they are committing suicide. Show that you are capable of solving Maharashtra’s problem and then talk about Marathi pride and culture.
@Saikat,
Some of your reasoning fall flat because of your ignorance and lack of knowledge:
1. Dr. Abdul Kalam is from Tamil Nadu and was born there. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam and do not spread stupidity it is contagious, then there is no difference between you and Bal Thackeray.
2. Have you ever been to Tamil Nadu, there is no bullshit like you should say vanakkam before you get into an auto or stuff like that.
3. There is no ban on Hindi in Tamil Nadu. I have spoken Hindi in Tamil Nadu despite being a Tamilian and was not discriminated against. Again, this ban on Hindi movie is wrong, for Kamal Haasan’s Magnum Opus – Dasavatharam, Amitabh Bacchan was the special guest for the music release and Mallika Sherawat is playing a role in the movie. These are lies purported by politicians like the Thackerays who will raise their voices on such petty issues and forget that the Marathi Manoos in Vidarbha is committing suicide.
9.11.2008
Reply to Saikat,
If is so then why bollywood is not in punjab, UP or in any other state and Why it is in Maharashtra?
And now i really want to laugh at your knowledge. You have pointed out the name of Rani Laxmibai, and just for your knowledge go through this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Lakshmibai
This link will tell you all about her history and you definitely look at this.
And again want to say, your knowledge is quite less in terms of general knowledge. It seems like your knowledge is limited to your work, so don’t get involved in any discussion outside your work if you can’t make your point clear.
And regarding the current president, she is not only because of Marathi people, if it was so, then whole Indian was under Marathi people.
I don’t want to get in guilt regarding my country’s unity due to your comment. I am proud Indian and also a proud Maharashtrian.
If anyone speak again my country, against my town, i will react.
Be happy and be a proud Indian
Jai Hind
Jai Maharashtra
9.11.2008
Dear Rajesh ,
pls hold your temper … this is not a place to show ur angish … the only hindu King who later turned to Buddhism who ruled the contry from one end to another end including the present day Sumantar / Afgan / Burma and many others was the great Ashoka and his capital was Pataliputra present day Bihar.
I am sure if u have pride for your ppl so do others pls respect them then they will respect u .. your an indian and every community and langauge has done equally for the country not that maharasthara has done more or Tamil Nadu less .
The city of Mumbai belongs to all indians who abide by the law / love their freedom without hurting anyone .
Remember all great cities are made by migrants … you name them and u will find the migrat influnce …
and in todays world eveyone is a migrant … today ur in here tommrow u would be some where else …
Take the migrants out the city will have nothing … after all everyone is a migrant where ever he lives ….
Jai Hind
9.11.2008
Think Global Act Local ….
India would never ever progress… thats for sure…
9.11.2008
To add some responses to the above of Rajesh and Venkatesh :
Please note that my points are only based on these great people who did not only consized or felt happy with their birth place or origin…but they added value to the nation as a whole.
I specifically mentioned Laxmibai as great than many as she was not really pinned own as ‘Marathi’ defending Maharastra only and for Marathi cause. It is important for what she fought and where.
About Dr.Kalam yes, he was born in TN and educated in MIT, but if you do not know, later of his life he spent in Vikram Sarabhai Space Center at Trvandrum which is in Kerela, developping SLV3 missile for which he was the project director and his mentor was the legendary Vikram Sarabhai who was originated from Ahmedabad Gujrat but settled and died at Trivandrum.
My message and views here is for national integrity and not like ‘frogs in well type’ taking pride in own state only and regionalism and feel proud which great was born where.
Oh yes, I have been to and stayed in Chennai for sometime. I do not want to get into another brand of ‘anti Tamil’ type as there are some leaders who takes prestige in dividing India as ‘north india’ and ’south india’. Tell me which religion can tolerate people like Karunanidhi who can hurt centiments of lakhs of people and say wrong about ‘Ram’ and terming as ‘north Indian god’ and what not.
There are many old religious stories and events like Ramayana in all religions and everything cannot be asked by logic.
Hindu religion is most tolerant that there was no ‘fatwa’ against his head like Salman Rushdie or Taslima Nasreen.
I do not want to open another front like religion debate here. But what he did and doing is not right. It is rare in TN people voluntarily speaks Hindi or atleast tries to.
Even leaders like Chidambaram termed BJP as ‘north Indian party’ in one of his pre election campaign during last election. Do you approve this ?
Venkatesh you can speak Hindi probably the only reason you might have spent time outside TN and I am sure it will be a great exception that you have learned Hindi staying only in TN. Touch your heart and say, no need to blog and justify.
DO you feel good when Kannadigas beat Tamils staying there becasue of Cauvery issue ? Why this language barrier ? Why the innocent Tamils staying there was beaten up when Dr.Rajkumar was abducted by Veerappan ? Why Assamese are killing innocent Biharis and Marwaris ?
You approve all these ?
It is important that common people like us understands this damage and have better sense prevail and not to indulge in his language or petty region politics.
What we can do is not to keep our mind rotted like those enemies of the nation and ensure we do not support them.
9.11.2008
reply to stargatedun,
I am not against any migrants and nor will be. But it does not means that migrants should dominant the local peoples and should criticize them in any way.
Go through my post, and you will see i have not even made any comments against any other language peoples or any other state peoples, and i will never do that, because i am aware about the fact and i proud to be Indian.
The place where i am working are having maximum non-maharasthrian. To my right is a person from UP and to my left is from AP, and i am having very good relationship with them
I am only defending against the peoples who are commenting against Marathi.
What you say is right “take respect and give respect” and that what i am saying respect our mother tongue, respect our peoples, respect our town, respect our state and we will respect you
What Jayaji said looks clearly like she wants to make fun of marathi people. Tell me was it necessary for her to make any such comments and also in such a funny manner? Definitely No!
So go and blame her because she is the culprit who have started all these drama around.
9.11.2008
Deal All,
first of all i am marathi doctor in pune,
i wish to tell you all that u all r very intelligent people & i request u to look up to going at top of world as a nation. & with this kind of politics we can go nowhere but down.
to add to those politicians now there is very cheap media.
i will request all of you that let us bring down such media & politcos.
all of us should stop watching news. look at the other days camaign that world is going to end.
& i know what is behind this cheap media remark it is that we trust them & watch them so as to increasing there TRP & in turn money.
Pls INDIA WAKE UP>>>>>
9.11.2008
Hi all,
I read some where that european union is now cutting their expenses on army and are planning to have a common army for each EU member country.
They have already desolve their currency. They have now a common visa for EU.
When I read all this, it seem like are we the same Indians(Mera Bharat Mahan?) who are having the world’s best culture(?).
Don’t these guys have any work apart from “she said that”.. “he said that”.
Its shameful.
I don’t have words to say to all these politicians.
If they cant understand(and they will never), but we are good people. Lets stop this nonsense. And the best way to do it to stop talking about it.
Mera Bharat Pareshan!
9.11.2008
What a sheer waste of time… come on guys do something constructive .. speak in any language who really cares .. don’t marathi ppl speak in hindi and english in their homes .. so is that an insult to marathi
. Ask any common marathi manoos or any other common man in india what language he wants his child to be fluent in – english or their regional language if only one is to be selected and he will surely answer english 
. Language in itself is soo gr8 .. no one can make a fun of it just like that.
9.11.2008
So to end the matter in a good note I request kind hearted people to donate whatever possible to the Bihar flood victims. The below is UNICEF link.
https://www.supportunicefindia.org/Donation/BiharEmergencyPage.aspx
Hope as INDIANS we can do it again.
9.11.2008
Deep and Saikat…. you know what … you both are really cheap…. crap… do you know anything what are you talking about… Both of you really need to cultivate yourself from the scrach…
oopssssss…….
I seriously dont have time to write like you… but wanted to express my feelings… like deep always wants… no matter if it hurts anyone or not…
RIDICULOUS….
By the way.. rajesh.. thanks for showing right direction to Saiket…
Saiket I advised you to be in mumbai… it’s very easy to say or react anything when you are not part of that…
just being in sweeden and talking all these nonsense does not make any sense…
And you deep.. lets see .. whether you keep this post or not… it’s now intersting to see how both of you going to react on this…
9.11.2008
Assamese would have cut the offenders into half…like they did…
Mr Thakray is much peaceful…
Respect is reciprocal of respect..
In maharashtra…respect maharashtrians, their language, their sentiments, their feelings..anybody thinking otherwise must be treated with contempt..
9.11.2008
So Milind, Tell me your views on the issue.. what you would have done? haha No comments on that?
We are not here for personal wars, discuss on the issue.. if you do not agree with anyone’s point of view.. express it, express the reason..
Saying just “crap” just shows the kid which is popping up inside you.. LOL
From now on, no personal comments, I will delete the personal comments.. discuss on the issue only.
cheers
Deep
9.11.2008
So deep… thus how you have been trapped…
I didnot have any bad intention. Everything I said deliberately … You got hurt .. right ?
( Regarding the view on this issue.. i said in this way..which you didn’t understand I suppose )
Same way.. I really got hurt when Jaya Bachhan said like that..
I just wanted to hurt you and saikat… ( I strongly believe that both of you will say that you didn’t get hurt…)
Now, Please don’t say like that was different issue.. It depends person by person… You may get hurt by another thing.
I believe you don’t have guts to keep the post of that person who says striaght forwardly..
This blog is belongs to you that doesn’t mean I should say all goody goody about you.
This is what you say freedom…… hahahahahaha … I really pitty you.
If I stay at your house for a long time… and abuse you … how will you feel ?
Don’t behave like kiddish .. and say i will delete the personal comment…laughing at you…
whatever you said before, wasn’t it your personal comment ?
Be champ dear….
9.11.2008
Thanks Deep, I guess no point responding to these ‘living dead bodies’. We have to understand and help these mentally challenged people to come back to main stay as far as we can as a matter of our social responsibility.
However, I was not able to keep my impulse to reply about ‘I have to come to Mumbai to know the reality’.
My reply only for this person Milind:
I had been in Mumbai and stayed in Bhandup (if Bhandup is considered in Mumbai)during 1998-99 and again during 2005 for a short trip and also used go to Pune quite often. I can read Marathi because I can read Hindi while my mother tongue is neither of them.
To me Mumbai is a great colourful city full of life. The best multicultural city of India. Superb local train service. The chaupatis and bhelpuris are unique, open culture unlike many other cities.
I came back from VT one day at 1.30am without any problem.
My sincere appeal to all please do not spoil this beautiful city citing antinational and anti constitutional reasons. Be better more tolerent human beings. Believe in Gandhian principle.
Stay well and do not forget to donate for a good cause for Bihar Flood Relief directly to UNICEF, the link is in my previous post.
P.S. FYI, as you can understand that I am not a ‘Bihari’ also.
9.11.2008
This is for Amar :
Who ask you to speak marathi ? Even I don’t say like that.. But disrespect cannot be tolerated.
whatever Raj Thakre is doing is not a INCIDENT. It’s a ” EFFECT “…..
Think deepest on that perticular ” EFFECT ” word.
I hope, you understand me..if not then I am able to make you understand that.
9.11.2008
Hahahahaha saikat…
R u kid ? how old are you btw ?. I think you are mentally retard person.. got hurt na …?
See.. as you are sincerely appealing not to spoil beautiful city MUMBAI..even though you had been in mumbai just for 2 years.
Then what about us who are staying here for more than 25 years… how would we feel when someone tries to spoil our mind..and spoil our city ? have you ever travelled through 2nd class with these bihari’s and up walas..if not then go and try… why should we bare all this ?
They always say that 1 Bihari 10 pe bhari…? do they think that we are cowerdice ? They are around 40 lakh in mumbai… increasing their strength and abusing us .. challenging us… is that good…?
Didn’t jaya bacchan said that sarcastically ? Will she dare to say like that in bengal which is her origin ?
we are just expecting respect..( is that crime ) And i bet you might not be knowing how marathi people are being treated by behari and up wala and southern people ?
I tell you one example… when I was in banglore for my project work.. there I met one keralite… who tried to get job in southern area but could not find.. then he went to mumbai and stayed there for 7 years..and now he is at very good position… when i met him.. then he started all nonsense about mumbai and mumbai people… he was literally abusing us..
is that good… is this the freedom wht you people are talking about here..
Why can’t they simply go to there state and work hard as they do here in mumbai or anywhere expect there own state ?
Because they have more opportunities ..? because they can earn money ?
why can’t their own state govt. don’t do anything for these people ?
leave it ..if you can’t understand our feelings…
and Don’t talk anything about Gandhi…I’m bit doubtful now if you really knows his principle…I salute that Mahatma..
For your very kind information…let me give you an example…
When our great freedom fighter Lokmanya Tilak was giving sppech in english in one conference which was held for the freedom… you know what Gandhi said to him… Tilakji agar yahi speech aap hindi me karate to accha hota….
You know why did he say like that not because he didnot understand.. but to just to touch the heart of indian… people should feel that they are speaking for indians.. fighting for indians…
That’s what we all expect… come here.. enjoy here.. thts it… so simple…
I’m telling all these by considering all happenings….not just because of jaya’s comment.
Got me……..?
9.11.2008
Milind – Trap? there was no sense in getting hurt.. but I was thinking why a person calls someone crap without even expressing the reasons for it.. (and I am still waiting for those reasons.. are the things mentioned here not correct? haha they are dude..)
I got the point of you saying crap.. infact, that’s why I purposely reacted in the sensible manner rather than replying in the same manner..
Now about you getting hurt with Jaya Bachchan’s statement.. hmm.. if you got hurt then I must say, you took things very seriously.. she just said casually that she would prefer speaking in Hindi.. so what’s so big deal in that? You can watch the clip again and again to see the she was saying..
OK, Let’s assume that what Jaya Bachchan said was wrong.. it was rude.. and she shouldn’t have said it..
Now, was it right for MNS guys to behave the way they did?
What was PVR theatre’s fault if Jaya Bachchan said something? Why did their people break the glasses of the theater? What was the fault of the Idea guys who had Abhishek Bachchan as their lead guy, why did MNS tear the hoardings? What was the fault of the guys who made the movie? They spent HUGE amount of money on movie, promotion and during the time of release.. someone stands up and says.. we won’t allow the movie to be released?
What do you think, if someone forces you to do something which the LAW also DOES NOT ASK? What if someone vandalizes the shops, sends FATWA to people with rude warning messages..
Who are they to send the notices to people? Do they have any legal authority to send the letters like that?
NO they don’t.. but still they do send..
So do you think, that was right? haha
What currently happening is more like.. if you post something stupid on my blog, instead of deleting the comment, I track your IP or Email and hack your machine.. haha It doesn’t work like that LOL
You do not need to say anything good just because it is my blog but when you say something negative, make sure you have some base behind it.. no point in saying things as “crap” just to prove the point.. which logically does not make any sense..
So again, no personal wars.. there is no point in pretending in “trying” to hurt people.. I will simply delete the silly comments..
Deep
9.12.2008
Milind – About your example about kerla guy not getting job in Bangalore and getting in Mumbai.. and then he abusing Mumbai..
So what do you get from this example? Shall we hit those guys when they arrive in Mumbai? So that they do not get the job and don’t ever come to mumbai? Or we should simply work on legal possiblities of controling these things?
Which one is more sensible? You only decide and tell me..
I have explained something on this and bihari issue here
Just go through the initial comments and my replies.. you will get what I am trying to say..
There is always a LEGAL way to fight the things rather than taking law in our hand..
9.12.2008
And Milind, I would love to read your comments on this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepxp/2713910441/sizes/o/
9.12.2008
Deeps,
how do you think that she said casually ? I think you are supporting person not the comment..right ? blind fan of bacchan parivar…
Is she ordinary person whose comment cannot be taken seriously ?
she is member of most glamours family of india.. as well as she is member of Rajya sabha… so chances are there …. politicians always will take advantage.
If any common man had said like her.. no one would have considered even.
but the responsible person like her and moreover on TV..which was being watched by million people…in maharashtra..should have at least that common sense what to speak in public and what not…
And about hiting tht guy.. why should I hit him when he arrives in mumbai… i could have hit him there itself.. but i really didn’t want… because it was useless….
making nonsense people explain doesn’t make any sense…
I am saying again… everything is happening now in mumbai ..is only EFFECT….
Not any perticular incident..
Politicians always wait for something… if they get they will creat issue…
Raj Thakre or any marathi person will not go by himself and abuse and do all this…
Secondly, vadanlizing shop, sending fatawas and all… all are reactions…
some people like ..some dont..
sabki apni apni pasand…But it’s not like that on any day Raj Thakre get up and give order for vandalizing shop and all…. he himself wants peace… we all want.. He is just representating… because he has power.. money…. ordinary person cannot do it…
Raj thakre expresses theirs’ feelings..thats the reason they like him ( like what amitabha bacchan does in his movie.. The Angry Young Man )… he is not forcing us at all…
I am not supporter of him… just telling true side of him..need to understand him and us…
Again I am telling you I really didn’t have any bad intention to abuse you.. or saying like ‘crap’.. i just wanted to make you feel when you get hurt… And I’m sorry if it hurts you..
that’s it…
will be continued…………..
9.12.2008
Deep super ! This is the crux of the matter and you are bang on. Actually Jayajis comment was based not based on ‘INCIDENT’ but based on ‘EFFECTS’ as was being by these so called claiming to be ’son of the soils’.
The forceful adoption of Marathi in signboards and asking international curriculam schools to teach Marathi. Are these great issues of ’self respect’ ? Who is showing disrespect here?
Today even I saw news headline ‘Thakery pardoned Bachans’ what nonsense!! Actually it happens when a moth flies around the fire it actually falls into it and dies.
This cannot be tolerated by any level headed citizen of India. Vandalism is the right word to be used. Even this gentleman threatened the Mumbai Police Commisioner BL Prasad of dire consequenses. WHat these people think of themselves? Please do not support these cause simply because you speak the same language.
Actually they are harming Maharastra.
Are you aware Lataji the great opposed and critcised Thakerys on these nasty ‘outsiders’ issue ?
People like Milind are definitely good human beings but as I can understand extremely confused and trying to express too many things together in a wrong way.
Do not get perturbed. Sit down cooly analyse. Jayajjis incident is just an ancilliary and not the crux of the matter. The matter is this ‘dadagiri’ ‘gundaraj’ cannot be supported by good educated people like Milind, Rajesh and many good people around.
By the way Milind I am ‘73 born and do wish me on my birthday on 5th November. I like to make friends and do stay in touch, I am sure many of us who have come closer with this opportunity can help each other out some way or other in future …who knows ?
9.12.2008
Milind – I am not fan of Bachchan family. I just like Amitabh Bachchan as actor and the person. (From what I have read on his blog)
See, the thing is, even if it was said by anyone else.. be it any celibrity.. the thing is.. it was not something which required to be blown out of proportion..
As mentioned earlier too, I am not against the thinking of MNS but I am totally against the way they are behaving.. they cannot just take law in hand just because they have power..
Tomorrow, many other political parties will start doing the same thing.. just because they have power.. so just imagine, if everyone takes law in their hand.. what will happen to the country?
Raj sent notice to shopkeepers, vandalized the shops.. what did High Court say? Everyone knows that.. he shut his mouth.. and after the deadline.. BMC started fining people not obaying the law..
So what was the point in him sending notices to shopkeepers? Was he trying to say that, there is no law in India?
Yes, he is trying to say.. the authority is not doing anything so we are doing on their behalf.. but when the deadline was over.. authorities actually fined ppl..
Got my point? There is ALWAYS a legal way to handle the things.. if he things system is corrupt.. reach to the root and make poeple aware about it.. use hidden cams.. chase the guys who are courrpt.. and this is how we can make Mumbai better..
Changing name from Bombay to Mumbai does not gonna help us to grow…
9.12.2008
continued…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/deepxp/2713910441/sizes/o/
what’s wrong in that… I really don’t find anything wrong if same doesn’t happen in other states…
It’s happening everywhere… in all state… i can give you many examaples..of Aasamees…Kannadis… Tamilians…. you must be aware of it…
Just for an example..Have you ever gone to shirdi.. 80 % of shops title are in Telgu…. why…? Any comment ?
they don’t know marathi… or they dont it..or they love their own mother tounge ?
9.12.2008
Milind – About the picture..
As mentioned in my earlier post.. if there is law to put board in Marathi, let the government tackle it.. no other parties have right to send notices like this to anyone..
And also did you notice the language? I have a post regarding this here
Also, if some other state is doing something wrong, then it does not mean that we should follow it.. Mumbai is financial capital so people come here, invest here.. there is freedom compared to other states here.. it’s a free environment.. good to start business..
If there is rule to put the board in Marathi.. then EVERYONE SHOULD FOLLOW IT.. and if the people do not follow, fine them.. as simple as that.. keep the fine amount as say.. 10,000 per day.. people will start following coz there is strict rule.. but when we force people by sending the notices.. things won’t work..
9.12.2008
Great post Deep…
To everyone here who is fed up with the system, please have a look at these two posts…and then lets talk.
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/09/01/politics-nuts-and-blots/
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/05/22/lets-come-together-to-build-a-new-and-proud-india/
9.12.2008
Thanks.. saikat..
Here is the reply…
The forceful adoption of Marathi in signboards and asking international curriculam schools to teach Marathi. Are these great issues of ’self respect’ ? Who is showing disrespect here?
—–Can you dare to expect same thing in Tamil ? these tamilians still hates our national language hindi… is this a great issue of respect Tamil language ? Even Abdul kalam never spoke ( or maybe once in a blue moon ) in hindi when he was President of india….. why ? just he doesn’t know …?
Even this gentleman threatened the Mumbai Police Commisioner BL Prasad of dire consequenses.
—– Have you listened to JCP what he said…
He said like… Mumbai kisike bapki nahi hai… ye sabki hai… yaha koi bhi aa ja sakta hai… agar koi kucha kahega to uska acchesse samadhan kiya jayega..
Is that good ?
He could have said just because he is JCP of mumbai..having power…?
Now please don’t teach me law and order..
That’s the reason Raj Thakre said… vardi utaro..khursi chhodo..aur phir bahar aao.. tab pata chalega mumbai kiske bapki hai..
will be continued……
9.12.2008
I’ll surely reply more … but its time to hit the pillow now… so guys… bye and take care…
9.12.2008
Cya man.. I am back to work.. now..
9.12.2008
Milind,
I have spoken earlier about Tamil state politicians and ruffled feathers of one gentleman. Tell me one thing should you model someone who you know is not right ? So it will be good for the state you are so proud of to be above par and let others follow you.
About the Police commissioner issue. Again this is at the backdrop of all these ‘EFFECTS’ which Deep has mentioned in his posts. He has not come out and told just like that.
And threatening a police commissioner just because I have half mad brain washed supporters and people with me does not make me a hero, actually these people are cowards.
Sometime back I used to like Bal Thak when he used to boldly speak about the issues of Bangladeshis and pro pakistanis in our country. But not any more I think the ‘big-bang’ is nearing for him and his party and ancilliaries. It will be good for the state and the country to get rid of these cancerous elements.
I am not sure if your point about Gandhijis lack of english knowledge is a fact. My little knowledge does not say so.
About Dr.Kalam I am sure you are getting wrong totally somewhere. Better we shall not discuss more about Dr.APJK more as to me he is a living legend and when he speaks you can only get hypnotised and spellbound nothng less. His vision can only bring emotional tears to your eyes.
It does not really matters if he can speak or speaks Hindi or not.
Anyways, I know you are excited to get reply and giving replies to your posts and it must be quite late night in INDIA…..dont worry we sincerely hope all should be fine and divine punishment for the wrong doers.
9.12.2008
I completely agree wid you .. Raj should stop his crap and do something constructive. All he is doing is enforcing his illogical rules on people calling it the “marathi” movement.. why cant he do something for the benefit of us mumbai citizens… do something for the homeless, for illiteracy, for global warming, for the roads,rails, infrastructure..!
Why provoke communal violence this way ??
Mumbai (I prefer calling it Bombay) is a cosmopolitan city, and thats the speciality of this place. All citizens live in harmony despite belonging to different religions, castes, and sects. Then why do politicians cause the divide ? Especially people like Raj Thackeray and his uncle Bal Thackeray.. Don’t they have anything better to do? I dont understand why people even support them !!! They are such hypocrites, they send their kids to English medium schools and chant Marathi slogans !
I say, Raj Thackeray is the one who does not belong here , he’s dividing our city ,that clearly shows what he is doing for it !!
He shouldn’t be put behind bars .. he should be hanged..
Or even better .. Lets all just get together and kill him !!! He deserves to DIE !
9.12.2008
Saikat…
Reply …
He ( JCP ) has not come out and told just like that.
—— Even if he has not,but should he use this kind of dadagiri language ?
just check this if u can read marathi.. http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3473227.cms
Not only Raj Thakrey and Diwakar Rawate wants to say… but each and every ” saccha marathi ” person wants to react.. but just because of he is common man like me….. can not react..
And yes, better not to speak about Gandhi and Dr. Kalam… They are legend…
one more example i want to share:
One of my friend is from Uttarakhand…( which was part of UP… this is for saikat.. as he is having limited knowledge of geography )..
When he heard about that issue… he also felt bad.. he was also got angry.. by seeing Jayaji’s foolish statement… do u know what he said… Milind, if one had said like this in uttarkhand…. then we would have kicked his ass big time…
The person from uttarakhand ( which was part of UP once upon a time… ) can think like this…
Then how you guys are expecting that we ( Maharastrians …so far from UP ) should listen everything instead of reacting … like cowardice…
Deep.. I think you are totally confused .. don’t know what to say… Better you read philosophy and psychology… then only u can understand people.
Btw, Where are you all from, specially Deep and Saikat ? Are you guys marathi ?
Now, who is this Anu, asking to kill Raj Thakrey..
go and tell MNS if you dare…. hahahahahaha
Anu u need to grow…need to refurnish your mind.
Mumbai (I prefer calling it Bombay).
—–I really pitty you… R u jeleaous of having name Mumbai.. Just because of it indicates Marathi ? what’s problem do you have with that name ?
I bet you are also not marathi..
I asked you all guys, go and just dare to say all these same thing in other state… they will definitely kick you out…
Saikat and Deep… I would like to see ur reply on my previous comment…
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See.. as you are sincerely appealing not to spoil beautiful city MUMBAI..even though you had been in mumbai just for 2 years.
” Then what about us who are staying here for more than 25 years… how would we feel when someone tries to spoil our mind..and spoil our city ? have you ever travelled through 2nd class with these bihari’s and up walas..if not then go and try… why should we bare all this ?
They always say that 1 Bihari 10 pe bhari…? do they think that we are cowardice ? They are around 40 lakh in mumbai… increasing their strength and abusing us .. challenging us… is that good…?
Why can’t they simply go to their state and work hard as they do here in mumbai or anywhere except there own state ?
Because they have more opportunities ..? because they can earn money ?
why can’t their own state govt. don’t do anything for these people ?
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You all are non-marathi ( better i say anti-marathi ) … then how can you understand our problem… our feelings…
We are not expecting that you must speak marathi… doesn’t make any difference if u don’t speak… But it makes difference if u disrespect marathi and it’s culture…Come here.. stay here… enjoy here… who is stopping you…
But, we cannot tolerate sarcastic comment… cannot bare if someone tries to make fun of us…
chhodo yaaroo.. tum nahi samajha payoge…
Jis Thali me Khate ho …. Usi thali me chhed..kuchha to sharam karo………
Deep…I would reply more to ur comments… but later on…
will be continued……
9.12.2008
Hi Saikat/Deep/Anu,
One thing from my side is that India is a country of cultures and every culture is so beautiful that we cannot show disrespect to it and just answer to this question, if in UP or Bihar, almost 70% of the govt.institutions or other government sites are filled up with non-Hindi speaking people like Southern Areas, will people be able to adjust with that conditions. No!!!!! there will always be a reaction.Reason being ,
in a particular state like Maharasthra, the people wants their culture to continue like the way it exist and started. This is not a revolution but a reaction to understand that for a person living in their individual state has the right to know and work for their cultural growth. Can anyone of you expect that in Bengal , Tamilnadu or any other state, their main language should be Hindi. It is their own mother language. Hindi is our national language and we will always respect it because after being a UP who speaks Avadhi, Bihar who speaks Maithili or Maharashtra who speaks Marathi , we all are same HINDUSTANI…..
I am not supporting any community, but our country’s integrity. So, we must pay respect to all cultures in India and must understand their pain as well. If the people living in Maharashtra wants that they want to follow all the things as per their culture , they are not different from other regional states who are trying to save their regional values and representing the uniqueness of their culture which atlast contributes to our own INDIA.
Note: I am not a marathi neither from UP or Bihar.Neither I am living in Maharashtra.
Jai Bharat.
A True Indian
9.12.2008
Milind – Do let me know why do you think I am confused? Like always, give me the reasons for it. Coz as far as I know, from the starting to end, I have been saying the same things.. haha
About me being Maharashtrian.. I am Gujarati but before all that, I am an Indian.. I don’t care if person whom I am talking to is from Gujarat, Maharashtra or any other state.. as mentioned earlier.. the thinking should be.. “Our cast and religion should be only limited to our homes.. but when we go out on the streets, we should be Indians nothing else” But I guess, it will take some good amount of time for people to understand this.
Anyways, I think we are going nowhere in thid discussion.. I have made clear what I wanted to say.. again making it clear in few words..
Whatever Raj Thackrey is doing is not right.. he might be showing what a “maraathi manoos” thinks but this is certainly not the right way.. if he is true leader, then he should simply think about going legal.. make an effort to change the SYSTEM..
There have been many replies for which I have been waiting for the answers.. (infact most of my comments to your queries have been unanswered..)but just leave that aside.. coz as said earlier.. we are just making rounds of a circle..
9.12.2008
yaa, it is wrong statement give by jaya Bhaduri(Bacchan), it harms the sentiment of people of maharashtra as well as marathi manus (man),
9.12.2008
reply to saikat/deep/anu
Thanks milind fighting against this anti-marathi campaign going on this blog by saikat, deep and anu.
These people will never come to know the local marathi people issues and how we get suffer from them….
@anu
You better shut your keyboard off…why you don’t go to other states and tell them to improve their infrastucure and road and all other things….
What is happening in Mumbai is happening in pune and going forward same will happen in other cities of maharashtra….and at the end these people will say that we have significant contribution in improving the economy, industry in maharashtra.
You peoples are not able to improve your state and had started destroying others?…why not you peoples brings industry in your state so that local peoples from your state will get jobs and they will stop migrating in other state and will stop destroying the culture, the language of other states
9.12.2008
@Saikat,
I have studied a year in Chennai and I did learn hindi there and it was of a higher level than the Maharashtra State Board.
@Milind,
You know what man, a zealot can justify anything that happens. I am not a zealot, I am a realist. I agree that JayaB made a blunder by saying shit. But, I did not like the way Raj said even after so called ‘accepting’ their apology, that how she should concentrate on acting and the dialogue she is written.
Raj asking the JCP, to leave the vardi and khursi and come on road, well let’s throw the question back @Raj, would he leave kursi and come on road and fight with this JCP. I guess not, Raj is known for saying stuff like this, he likes to instigate show he is a macho man and then sit @home.
Remember, he said he will not apply for bail if arrested, and once arrested the bail application was promptly filed.
Also, the point that Deep makes about his son studying in Bombay Scottish. My question is there are so many English medium schools which are highly respected and have hindu names & some even have marathi names. Why was his son put into a Anglo-Indian school then huh, if he talks about hindutva and marathi pride?
Come on man open your eyes and see the man’s hypocrisy.
9.12.2008
Venkatesh,
I think you are from south….the same thing i want to repeat her what Milind was pointing out to deep.
If i come your home and start abusing you what will be your reaction?
We or not Raj is against hindi or not against English…It is good that you know many languages and everyone should be able to learn as many language as he she can …but it does not mean that you have to disregard your mother tongue
What Raj is doing is protecting his mother tongue, marathi people from abuse done by peoples like you….
If Raj come on road leaving kursi…then also thousands and lacks of marathi peoples will support him if he is fighting against the people who is taking against all about marathi…
Come to base point….i want to ask all of you particularly who are speaking against marathi
Do you respect your mother tongue?
do you respect your home town?
Do you respect your native peoples?
If the answer is yes then What Raj is doing is right!
Got it…..
9.12.2008
politicians are Harami they dont think the progress of our country .
9.12.2008
Guys…. i’m back again…
So Saikat … tame gujju che… te mate tame samjan nathi pade aaiya mumbaima kya chalu che….
( Actully i had ghost of an idea that u r gujju )
if i say…kick all the gujju’s out from the mumbai… how would u feel….. ?
( now please don’t ever think that we cannot survive without gujarathi )…
now i understood why were u rambling about the signboard… many gujarathi shops are here… and still mentally they are gujarathi… even they want to be in mumbai physically….so why should they write signboards in marathi…have u ever asked to any gujarathi to put his signboard in marathi…
U may be thinking now, why i am forcing to do this… but again very simple question.. why do they want to stick to other language than marathi… ? do they think that we r disgusting…
thts what and why u r supporting huh… i got it….
Anyway i like gujarathi…they are not harmful and dirty….that much…
Saikat give me ur home address…. i will stay there for a long… but will never accept ur culture…i’ll be present there only physically… i’ll enjoy in ur house… i’ll use each and every resources of ur house…
AND ONE DAY I’LL KISS YOUR ASS … I’LL ABUSE U… I’LL NOT CARE WHAT U DID FOR ME… I’LL NOT CARE WHAT HURTS U…..
Tell me then how would u feel…………????????
Regarding … english school n all… i m still saying that we dont want u too learn marathi… but please dont disrespect marathi and its culture….
I’m not opposing english.. or any other language… everyone is free to learn anything… for his career..
I throughout studied in marathi medium… but never had problem with english…
saikat.. do u know the law of state…. All central govt. level officer like IAS/IPS/IFS etc.. must have to learn the local language of the state where they are working….so stop all blabbering and refurnish urself……
Dard to usiko hota hai… jisko jakhma hota hai…
tum sab anti-marathi people sirf samjha sakate ho.. mehsus to hum log kar rahe hai…
I want to ask u all… agar koi tumhare ghar ke samne ek bar kachara fekega to tum kya karoge… may be u will forgive him because of his first mistake…. but what if he does same thing 100 times and moreover if he brings his all friends to make ur place dirty…
kya tum har bar kachara saf karoge ya phir kachara fekne waleko hi saf karoge… ??????
expecting honest answer to the above question from all u guys…
saikat..now u sit..be cool….and analyze urself more calmly…no need to be overemphasize… think 100 times… take ur time … and then reply.. if u can..
seriously…our patience is wearing thin now…
And my dear venkatesh…where r u from… so that i can reply to ur comment more clearly…
will be continued……………
9.12.2008
Yes, Rajesh is right at this moment.
Everyone should respect mother tongue as well as native peoples.
9.12.2008
sorry .. i forgot to mention one more thing…
last year all bhaiyas…( from UP and Bihar )..who r elected as a ” nagarsevak ” of Municipal Corporation of Mumbai demanded hindi language as a language of MMC…They wanted all the documents in hindi…just because they don’t know marathi…Infact they know marathi very well.. but just don’t want to use it…really pathetic..
They threatened that they will not work without that..it’s different that we shut their ****** mouth.
Saikat … do u know this matter or not ( as u r in abroad ) … don’t act now…
Dear all.. any comment ..especially from deep and saikat…
9.12.2008
Dear Amit
All politicians r not haramis
But those politicians who respect his/her mother tongue & his/her native r good.
I appreciate the statement given by Mr. Rajesh
9.12.2008
As I told earlier many of you calling your self as “marathis” as actually shame for marathis. True marathis will not be like this for sure and have a different pedigree. There had been several comments from many other true marathis that they do not support this way of violence and the way things are happening.
All should definitely respect their mother tongue no doubt in that, but not at the expense of the greater interest of the country’s integrity
No body should support this violence and gundagiri becasue I have half mad followers behind me in name of my mother tongue.
SO why you people want Kashmir to be a part of India? Support Pakistan (if already you are not supporting)…..common…Kashmiris are also fighting for the same cause ‘kashmir for kashmiris’ then why you oppose? Which side were you for this Amarnath land crisis?
As I told you people are just like frogs in well who do not know what the outside world is all about and you choose to be happy with your quarter baked knowledge.
God forbid you people do not go somewhere else for job or otherwise. Ofcourse it does not makes sense to discuss economics with you people as you people know these quite well I am sure about where and how a corporate is established and how it is equity funded and how they get the resources and tax incentives of a particular region. Forget about strategic establishments like defense etc. which had to be made far from the ’striking distance of our enemies’
So today it is Mumbai, tomorrow it will be Bangalore and then Hyderabad and so on. Good….you are the true futures of the future countries(I mean Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamilnadu and so on….).
Milind,
I am not also a Gujju but I can understand Gujrati 100%. Maybe you felt so as I was talking about Gandhian principle. Possibly yes, I consider him the father of this nation.
Somebody commented about Bengal saying hindi etc. again I call these people with little knowledge. Know your facts. Bengal is the worst affected of all the states there had been crores of people coming to Bengal from Bangladesh and lakhs and lakhs from Bihar, west UP and Marwaris. The economy and business of Bengal is in the hands of Marwaris.
Have you ever heard religious issues or any such ‘outsiders’ issue there ? The situation there is much worse than what many of you are complaining like local trains etc. No not so far, but who knows this flu will not catch up there also.
To answer you…I dont know tomorrow but today I still belong to BHARAT or INDIA and I am proud to say so.
9.12.2008
Saikat,
You are turning your tone….i want to put your words over here
“It is not really because of Marathis that Bollywood is existing or rather any industry is existing in Maharastra it is because of the favourable conditions of the state.”
At one point you are saying against marathis and one point you are saying true marathi..i am confused about you….seems like you are losing your memory quite early, do you have any symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease…you definitely go and show to psychologist
You have to know one thing..”latonke ke boot batonse nahi mante”….and that what Raj is doing.
You do not think about Kashmir…Indian Government is handling it quite good…It is part of india and will remain throughout….
9.12.2008
Milind,
As you have seen, I have not commented harsh and something to any of you guys in any of my previous posts. My only intention is to have the facts straight.
I guess if you desisit from these type it will justify your family background and upbringing and then it will be worth everybody’s time discussing the issues and pains.
We are discussing here on a debatable mode. Keep the spirit to that. Yes, I can abuse too but as I told earlier I believe in Gandhian Principle and I do not bite back a mad street dog when it tries to bite me.
You have to improve your knowledge etc. about economy and economics, I stick to what I told about Bollywood and industries. It is not my fault if you have not understood what I meant.
9.12.2008
Saikat,
Rubbish …You are still not able to make your point clear, and to what you stick is just imprudent.
Without marathi people Maharashtra is developing! ha ha ha…
IF it so then who is developing maharasthra?… I want this answer and with evidence
Have you ever gone in villages of maharashtra….farmers over here are using advance agriculture method to bring up more “aanaj” from the field, and this is significant developmental sign…maximum of the farmers are having TV, many are using freege and other electronic equipment bringing money in the market and improving the economy of india….in the end they are improving their standard of living, contributing in state’s and india’s economy.
Just rome around any major cities in maharashtra like pune, nasik, aurangabad, nagpur, kalhapur, etc….at every 50 to 100 km, you will see industry…means people over here from backstream as well as forward stream are giving significant contribution in development of maharasthra state….now don’t point of vidarbha as there is exception and we are also not ignoring it
You better need to improve your knowledge….just not knowing anything you are making senseless wordings…if you do so…i will be use more hard tone
9.12.2008
Deep,
Its time to provide these street urchins another platform. They need a sandbag blog. Better make one more page for them as they need to improve a lot (ofcourse we need to help them).
So will you arrange for a blog page for ‘their crash cause’ or you want me to do something for them?
Oh my my!! These species also claims to travel outside the country…’true ambassadors’ I must say what a pitty.
9.12.2008
You guys know everything you must know….so why need answers from me. You people know you are shame for marathis and keep your shame level limited to that and dare not to boast or call yourselves as Indian. Frankly you people do not worth my time to reply.
Dont worry we can do something for ‘your cause’ in a different non violent ways, we are considerate and true countrymen we know all fingers of the hand are not the same and there are inequalities in the society for which the mentality of people like you breeds.
By the way, about one of the issue about Mumbai corporation vis a vis Bhaiyas issue one of you mentioned. To be honest I am not aware of this and if this is true this cannot be supported and I am sure it had been handled or tackled in proper democratic way and not by vandalism.
By the way my last piece of advise to you guys is do not spent more time in front of your computers…you must hit the road with your mentors, why depend on some others to do the vandalism when u all can do it better way.
9.12.2008
Dear Miland / Deep / Saikat / Rajesh ,
I think this is becoming each others personal agenda rather than a debate in the right direction which is towards national integrity…
I have a feeling what Miland and Rajesh are trying to say is being misconstrued by Deep & Saikat and visa versa and hence each trying to prove a point or the other …
I see intelligent discussion moving towards individual biases…
Let me just put my point across with respect to this issue….
Who is a migrant?
A migrant is person who has moved away from his place of birth / origin (a) force or (b) on his own will for the betterment of his individual being / family & safety.
(a) Forceful migration – I don’t think any one of us have seen or experienced it in our generation as I understand most of us being a generation or a couple of generations post the , worlds largest human movement ie. the partition of the country in 1947 / the impact was felt by the whole country but the people affected most were the people of Punjab and Bengal who lost everything including loved ones and hence a lot goes to them with due respects / stories from them would still make anyone wonder what a prize we had paid for our freedom .However I don’t think we are talking about migration of the forceful / political kind. And all of us here as true nationalists and will never want any part of his/ her country to be at misery by breaking it further.
(b) The second kind of migration which is by choice / however in most cases in our country is factored by force … by force I mean no external force but the force within that pushes a poor man in Bihar /UP / Orissa / TN or any other state to move to a favorable location where he sees opportunity to earn a living for himself and his family.
In most cases people do not want to move from their place of origin if opportunities are available , however as seen within the poorer strata their level of resistance to move is far higher due to their vulnerability in society and hence they only migrate when they are absolutely pushed to the last level of basic sustainance , which is not so within the richer of middle classes where migration is spearheaded by capitalism .
If we look deep with in we will find that most of the city dwellers in large cities like Mumbai / Delhi / Kolkata & Bangalore were migrants to the same city generation before be it even moving from a remote village in Maharashtra to the the city of dreams “ Mumbai “ and so is the story of any large city .
As mentioned in my earlier post that most great cities have been made by migrants to name few New York, London , Hongkong / its said that if u spend 10 – 15 mins at Times Square just standing at one point , you will witness every nationality , religion and race within that span of time .. hence talks leaps about any city .
Hence its unfortunate to see some of the posts here where in a lot of mature individuals have mentioned how things have changed over the years and how dirty people from some part of the country crowd up the local trains …. I guess with these thought we all walking towards a better nation and a city for of the future. India is a free country , here anyone has the right to live / earn & speak the language he wants … but yes freedom should not be misused to hurt the sentiments of others and the law of the land .
Even in China where the living situations somewhere match ours we have seen migration of huge proportions from the western provinces to cities like Beijing & Shanghi where they are mostly employed in construction projects the fuel China’s thirst towards a global power . They have nothing in common with the people of the east even languages differ but China wants to move ahead they have worked on their differences as one nation .
Are these people who leave everything behind somewhere in remote village in our country and come to an alien city to fill their stomachs and aspirations not Indians … are they to be blamed for the sorry state of their region? Are we all not responsible towards their betterment as a responsible citizens of this nation or are we all fulfilling our duties by just paying our taxes and leaving the rest to the system to take over.
Do we not exploit them when ever we have our own selfish needs? Be to drivers / constructors / laborers / domestic helps / watchmen sweepers etc. Do they fall under the minimum wages act / or any human resources act … no we would like to pay them less and get more.
The progress of this nation would be marked when all of us would move ahead together as a whole and not as individuals / regions / states / sects / religion or creed.
I know I am here among a very matured audience who would identify with me on this issue and would work towards influencing the right thoughts among each other
…. For a better nation.
Jai Hind
9.12.2008
Stargetadum, I echo you. Thanks.
9.12.2008
As mentioned earlier I am not going to allow personal comments. Have deleted few comment. Will review more comments later.
9.12.2008
Yes, if somebody already visited places like Hongkong, Singapore and US(any city) (as claimed) must have got all the answers we are debating about. Who is me to answer with so little know how.?
I assume people knows who are the origin of US people and with so many diverse cultures we like or not they are ruling the world and who are the singapore people consist of ? And what culture people consists these.
These are the true international cities. Its pitty many of us do not understand simple facts.
9.12.2008
ok too much of personal war. I am closing the comments for sometime. Will open once I am back.
9.13.2008
Comments are back… but
STRICTLY NO PERSONAL COMMENTS.. ALL THE PERSONAL COMMENTS WILL BE DELETED WITHOUT 2ND THOUGHT..
9.15.2008
Hey…this particular post must have contributed quite a lot in your earnings…right Deep?
I would have loved to be a part of this hot discussions..but time constraint..
anyways..just kidding..don’t mind !
9.15.2008
haha No Rohit.. these kind of topics have more people discussin’ rather than clikin’
9.15.2008
haha…right.
I just love your promptness.
9.15.2008
Hi Deep,
I personally think that Raj Thackrey is a whimp and he is just a show off. And he can only shoot with a gun on someone elses shoulder.
He says ban Bachchan films and everyone should talk in Marathi etc etc…yet a member from his family, Smita Thackrey is seen in every award function.
This family should be kicked out first. They shouldnt be allowed to polute the minds of people.
9.16.2008
Bombay was given to Maharashtra in 1960. Before that Maharashtra was a part of Bombay. Refer History books.
A true maratha is like Shivaji Maharaj, my hero.
Do you know Shivaji was not actually a Marathi by lineage? Bhonsale was a title and their real surname was Sisodia?
Do you know Thackeray is from Madhya Pradesh?
Do you know Pawars are Parmaars of Rajasthan.. Chavaans are Chauhans, Salunkhes are Solankis?
Don’t fight over your state, if you can’t fight for your country.
If you cannot love your mother India’s language, you cannot show fake love for your mother tongue only.
Hindi is our Rashtriya Bhaasha. I am also a Maratha but I love my country’s unity.
9.16.2008
Superb!!! You are a true Maratha and a true son of mother India. God bless you. We wish many of us are aligned the way you think irrespective which state we belong, to which religion we believe and which language we speak.
9.17.2008
Namskaar,
mazya Bhashechya nave aapan jo bazaar majwlaay to wachla… mala faar wait vatla ki aajunhi marathi mansaalach aaplya swataha baddal, aaplya pranta baddal aaplya bhashe baddal prem naahi. Tar mag he par bhashik aapli awahelna karnarach. Hasat hasat konihi aamchi amchya baanyachi maskari karvi he fakt maharashtratach hou shakte… asam, bangal madhye tyanchya asmitela awahan karun paha tumhi pratikriya dyayla jiwant tari rahta ka…Tamilnaadu dakshine kade karA TUMCHYA KADE DURLAX HOIL… aaj bharat ubharayala, swatantra whayala , tyachi sarwangin pragati karnyasaathi sarvaat jyast khasta khallelya, KASHAT GHETLELEYA pranntachya durdaiwa babat mala vait vatle..
partantryachi suruwaat hi satwa gamawnya pasoon hote… swatahach satw kaay, aapli saanskruti aaple vichar aani vichaar bhasha…. aapan navya partantryala swatahunch awahan kartoy ….. pan tumchya sarkhya bhashevar begdi prem karnaaryan vachun mazya bhashech kahich ADAT naahi…..karan ji geli pachshe varshanchi parampara aahe na mazya bhashela tichya mule…. jo paryant DNYANESHWER tukaramachi palkhi pandharpuras (aaplya bhashecha dev nastanahi ) jat aahe to paryant KALJICHE KARAN NAAHI … mazya maay marathichya navaan konihi gale kadhaychi aani bajooo ghenyachi garaz nakkich naahi koni ek Jaya nawat jay asla tarihi mazya sanskruticha parajay karu shakat naahi
9.17.2008
Suraj Mitra Namaskar, Jya tya rajyat tya bhashechya samman kelach pahije hey nakkich pat te ammhala, pan tya war je zor zabardasti karne ani nirdosh mansala marhan karne hey konhi shikavla?? Dadagiri aapan angrezanchi pan sahan nawhti keli hey laqshayt theva! Ani me tumhala ek sangto ki premane godine jag jinkta yete….Me Maharashtrat janmala aalo aani ithech aayush ghalvnar, majhe azoba 12 warshache astana Mumbai la aale ani ithe shunya madhun srushti nirmaan keli..Aamhi maan thevto…pan kai khant wat te tar faqt hey ki je lok ithe yeun kamvun aaplyala shive ghaltat hey chukicha…Tumhi marathi bola marathi sanskruti wadhva ani bagha kasa lokanchya jebhevar ani dokywar chadte apli marathi boli….Tumhala ek sangto parwa ek MNC madhe interview la gelelo…majhi sawai aahey kuthe pan Marathitch bolto.,..tar tithe watchman security guard walyanshi me marathitch bollo, te dhachakle ki chayla pahilanda kon marathit interview dyala aala…(Aamhi tase Kucthi)
Sangnyacha tatparya faqt itkach ki aapan aapli boli aapli sanskruti japvnycha pryatna karava….nirdosh pot bharaila aalele lokana marhan karun kai honaar! Ani ho tumhi barobar bolta Tukoba Vithoba chi palkhi jo paryant pandharpur la jaate aaplyala kalji karyachi kai garaj nahi hey! Garaj aahey tar faqt jagrut houn sudhine vichaar karaychi….kutlihi party yeun rajyat w deshat dharm w bhashewar rajniti karnaar hey patnaar nahi!….ek vel hota aapan manhaycho…Bharat Maa ke char sipahi…Hindu, Muslim Sikh Isaai…! Aata matanchya rajkarnat sagla deshachi wat lavun thevli aahey lokani! chala dhanywad…aabhar! Jaga w jagu dya!
9.19.2008
We have an evolutionary imperative to look out for our tribe, our community, our family etc. Unfortunately, in social terms, this “side-effect” of evolution acts as as a petri dish for communal division.
Politicians like Raj Thackeray exploit this evolutionary phenomenon to raise the size of their vote banks. Gullible, unsuspecting, honest citizens fall for such dirty politics — it’s a natural reaction.
Rise, my brothers and sisters. Open your eyes. Expand your minds.
10.4.2008
Hi Deep,
I see our bloggers still discussing about same old topic. Haven’t you thought about new topics ? such as Attacks on Christians, Ban on Cigarettes, Shiela Dixit insensitive comments on HEADLINES TODAY Journalist death.
There is so much happening out there and you are still discussing topics which are certainly lost it’s heat.
Looking forward to you new Debate topic.
Cheers,
Simon.
10.4.2008
Hi Simon,
This was posted on Sep 09 2008. Due to time constraints I am not able to post more topics frequently.
Will try to post something based on your topics..
Regards,
Deep
10.8.2008
hey ..
tell me one thing y the peoples in maharashtra supports MNS / Shiv sena?
If they r wrong .. no will support…
So just think..
Just speaking.. debating.. is very simple….
no one.. will identify u… u can speak.. what u can….
so please dont talk on the thing which u have half knowdgae..
and one more IMP thing.. b’cus of MNS and Shiv sena..
Mumbai / Maharastra id safe..
Other wise it will become like… Azamgad,delhi,UP,bhiahr…
So please dot interfare.. in this mattar..
10Q very much.. Jai Maharastra… JAI HIND…. Jai HIND>>…
10.8.2008
Suyog – Please give me “full” knowledge about this issue.
10.21.2008
You do get people of all kinds in all states.I am from Bihar,and i do acknowledge that some stratas of people do have a tendency to incite a hooligan type of image,more due to personal insecurity than a mindset..look at what these people have tolerated and the societal culture they have seen,thanks to politicians who have done nothing but leech states like UP and Bihar.
I am sure no educated bihari behaves in a less civil manner than an educated marathi,or punjabi or a tamil.People cannot just be branded superior or inferior just because they are born in a particular area.They have to earn that respect,and in this context a marathi is no better than a bihari if he behaves like a hoodlum.All you so called proud marathas shamelessly trying to justify their narrow outlook on a matter that seriously concerns the sovereignity of India by providing logicless arguments just sadden me.I agree that the Biharis who are creating this anarchy in Mumbai are wrong,but you people,and Mr. Thackrey are no better.
10.21.2008
People cant just be better by being born in a particular area.People are acknowledged as better by the manner in which they behave.You do get people of all kinds in all states.I am from Bihar,and i do acknowledge that some stratas of people do have a tendency to incite a hooligan type of image,more due to personal insecurity than a mindset..look at what these people have tolerated and the societal culture they have seen,thanks to politicians who have done nothing but leech states like UP and Bihar.
I am sure no educated bihari behaves in a less civil manner than an educated marathi,or punjabi or a tamil.People cannot just be branded superior or inferior just because they are born in a particular area.They have to earn that respect,and in this context a marathi is no better than a bihari if he behaves like a hoodlum.All you so called proud marathas shamelessly trying to justify their narrow outlook on a matter that seriously concerns the sovereignity of India by providing logicless arguments just sadden me.I agree that the Biharis who are creating this anarchy in Mumbai are wrong,but you people,and Mr. Thackrey are no better.
10.22.2008
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10.22.2008
the people of mumbai or any metropolitan city should understand the functioning of a city is complex.everyone know there is a problem of rush in mumbai.not only marathi manus felt who ever lives there have the same problem.2nd thing there is not a very simple solution of that.that throw out north indian or bihari out of the city and everything become fine.hey come just think the complexity of the city the people whom u are throwing our are really rich.no i don’t think or all marathi who’s facing problem are really rich????? no
then if u’ll throw those poor people only one rich people of other state is mean local’s will get jobs of those poor people but what but u can earn a small fraction of money from that and inflation in mumbai’ll go up.already living in mumbai is so expensive,think the condition when no sabji wala,texy wala,milk wala,labour all poor worker’ll go out.
who’ll do the job.ok all these jobs done by local is it fine.are u fight for this only?????its obvious it make everything so expensive here. can u capable of living in suck expensive city.just think complexity.i am not against anyone.
and y don’t know y people start fight about language.hey wake up man..think like human do now fallow some blindly man.
10.26.2008
The real face of a “Marathi hero” in name Raj Thakare.
Bunch of hypocrites. This articles says it all.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Holding_Mumbai_to_ransom/articleshow/3641431.cms